In article <schr5tssordqlabqoi6tll8r0qpqjcu…@4ax.com>,
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wrja…@kudzucountry.com wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:56:55 GMT, S D Rodrian
> <Rodr…@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> >There ane only "three" dimensions:
> >That is all that’s required to permit
> >existence (and) motion in the universe:
> >Time is but the human habit of timing
> >(most/all) such motions (and so time
> >is a dimension, only a human dimension,
> >as employed in relativity’s space-time
> >map–i.e. a description/measurement of
> >motions and NOT something which, like the
> >"three" dimensions of reality… permits
> >motions).
> For something to exist, it has to
> exist for a period of time.
The logical error you are committing there
is when you fundamentally believe that
"existence" literally "does not exist" but is
created/destroyed moment to moment and
instant by instant: That is absolutely NOT so!
Existence is all that exists: Right now!
It is not "things" that have some sort of
"absolutely" independent existence, but merely
that bits/portions of existence take on/take off
different shapes/forms: If "it" does not exist
RIGHT NOW, "it" never existed and never
will exist… as existence is sustained NOT by
the creation and/or destruction of its "things"
but by the simpler, more elegant reality that
its "things change." [i.e. ... bits/portions of
existence are forever becoming other bits
and portions of existence; or, energy cannot
be created/destroyed; or, Newton's laws of
motions; or, "Man's is but a brief and mortal
glimpse of eternity, for him an immortal memory
which he forevermore will hold in his thoughts
until his end, but not until the end;" or, "the
universe is just a jumble of relativistic (independently
recognized) motions, forever some speeding up
while others are slowing down... NOT because
they are beginning/ending, but because those that
are slowing down are doing so as they "conserve"
their energy (their very selves) "into" those motions
which are speeding up." Et cetera. And this is ever
where we came in.]
What I am describing above is, as I’ve said many
times, the fact that the "forms of matter" are just
that… "forms!" And, in the final analysis, ALL
that exists is MOTION.
There are NO fundamental forms of matter, none
at all [i.e. there are NO indivisible and therefore
"eternal/immortal" "particles" of ANY kind
at ANY level of existence] as our universe simply
can NOT produce them except it does so by sheer
magic–There is NO possible way to physically
give birth to an Immortal: It can only spring from
the forehead of a god… full-grown & armored, as
the ancient Athenians knew "way back when.".
> Therefore time is as necessary
> a dimension as the other three.
Time has as much to do with existence as the inch:
"Nothing exists just because it is an inch, and
nothing cannot exist because it is not an inch."
As the greatest poet of the Twentieth Century
wrote (recently)… "An hour is but an arbitrary
invention of necessity by man just as a liter also
is but our own arbitrary invention of necessity.
The problem is that whereas no one is claiming
that you can’t have beer without the liter, far , far
too many of those who have chugged down a "few
too many" themselves ARE claiming that you can’t
have MOTION without Time!" But this confusion
will most probably always be with us, since it’s much
more a matter of our "human nature" than anything else.
Just you keep in mind that things are NEVER as
confusing as the confused always MAKE them out to be.
And life will most often be a lot easier/pleasant.
S D Rodrian
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PS All quotations are original with me. And, by the
way: remember that the description of our reality
as "three-dimensional" is only a mere conceit of
convenience: It comes from a mostly arbitrary and
quite artificial "geometrical object" one seldom
finds in nature… the box. Our reality should
more accurately be called NOT "three-dimensional"
but "spherical" since a perfect sphere describes
ALL the dimensions possible in our universe (without
leaving out a single one of them) better than anything
(else) anyone can think up.
> William R. James
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In article <7418-3A5F2B2…@storefull-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Darth…@webtv.net wrote opened the best-seller, "Decorating With
String-Theories For Fun & Profit," closed his eyes, stuck his
index finger into its pages, and read what it pointed to therein :
> There are eleven dimensions.
Maybe, but repeat that seven times
and you have a 7-11
> Three spacial dimensions, the fourth
> dimension is time, and there are seven
Told you you’d end up at the 7-11
–Is that Elvis with those hot-dogs in his
shirt pocket? [… The 12th dimension is the
Dimension of Life, which makes possible…
while the 13th dimension is the Dimension of
Death; the 69th is the Dimension of Sex; the
01th is the Dimension of the True Millennium;
while the Dimension of Pi is that of corpulent
people on a diet… in addition to which:
practically any dimension squared is full of
very dull, conservative people, and, of course,
the 1,000th Dimension is characterized by Roman
gladiators fighting over each other’s M-Theory (i.e.
speculating about each other’s mommas).
> imploded dimensions that
> hypothetically exist within string thoery
> on a sub atomic level.
How very convenient! In other words, they’re so small
that "nothing that exists" can fit into it, and thus
one does not have to bother having to explain how
it is that so many angels can dance on the pinheads.
Although I do admire fools who can with such flair
match their foolishness with their gall. By the by…
I believe Antman has visited those 7-11s. An once he
found in one a four-legged Jamaican hen handing out
"advice of the heart" to two three-feathered bitches;
two of whom were pregnant, and the other one sadly
was complaining to the hen: "We’ve been going out
for a year now… but I’m not sure he’s the one."
"Honey," the Jamaican hen advised the bitch: "What
I do if I was you is… the next time he show up: stick a
nametag on his ass… then you know for sure (one way
or the other) if he’s the one (the next time he shows up
after that, of course). But wait a minute: You not sure
he’s the one you gonna marry… or you just not sure he’s
the same one that’s been coming around all this time?"
> All of these dimensions were born
> with the beginning of the universe,
No kidd’n!? Do you know this because they celebrate
their birthdays on the same day every year? Or, have
you been reading the National Inquirer again along with
all those other snooty intellectuals who "want to know?"
> about 15 billion years ago.
Oh! Sure. I understand: If I were over 14 billion years
old… I imagine I too would be a little uncertain now
about the exact day I was born.
> It is imposible to ask what came before the
> universe, because time hadn’t been created yet.
So basically, what you’re saying is that "back then"
(before the universe)… there wasn’t "enough time"
to even so much as ask WHAT CAME?!?! (I suppose
there’s no sense speculating whether they asked
back then: "What’s coming down!?")
It does make sense, though, because as time goes by
you must remember this: People are working now fewer
and fewer hours per week. So you figure, "like" 15 – 16
billion years ago they must’ve had you working like…
a hundred thousand hours per week or more, at least!
Yeah, I can dig it.
S D Rodrian
wisdom.findhere.org
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In article <SHs86.2426$SJ2.1456…@feed.centurytel.net>,
"don" <herm…@centurytel.net> wrote:
>Just a question, If, any of you have looked a
>round, HOW Possibly could this
>many different trees, bugs , you name it,
>could they have possibly evolved ?
Easily/simply as water flowing downhill:
A mamma turtle lays 40 eggs at the beach
and, of those, 40 hatchlings 20 head for the
ocean and 20 head inland. Result: Only the
survivors of those who went to sea live to
lay the next batch of eggs; and whatever made
the next mamma turtle (survivor from that batch
of 20 survivors) head out for the open sea when
she was born is then inherited by HER hatchlings
—and so evolution can take place over billions
of years (worms/the jellyfish) as well as over just
a few short years. [e.g. In England there is a species
of moth which was light-colored and so was hard to
be seen by its bird predators when alighting upon
the bark of trees. In this species, now and again,
completely dark moths would be born, but they were
easily spotted by predators and so very seldom got
a chance to reproduce. Then came the industrial
revolution; and suddenly the habitat was completely
covered with soot, coal dust, and black smoke. And,
like clockwork... suddenly the black moths were the
ones who were hard to spot and the lighter-colored
moths were too easy for the predators to see; with the
result that within the amazingly short span of a couple
of years or so this particular species of moths went
from Swedes to Sudanese without also having to
suffer through the usual immigration upheavals we
poor humans have to go through when we turn our
isolated communities into more cosmopolitan ones.
Note that the above not only explains how sudden
spurts of evolution are possible, but also explains why
it is that dragonflies/cockroaches/crabs/et al... have
also remained pretty much the same over the millions
of years during which the world has seen countless
other species rise and fall into oblivion like sparks.]
>I don’t care HOW long , I understand perfectly
> evolution, and it is going on
>as I type, but some of the specialized
> relationship can only say : PLANNING
I will repeat: It’s all water running down a hill…
so if you suddenly notice that every time you find
water it’s at the bottom of a hill, you might just as
equally be driven to mistakenly conclude that there’s
no way such a thing could happen by coincidence or
chance–SOMEBODY HAD to have planned and
executed this universal "intention" to place water at
the bottom of hills. But…
My advice to you, therefore, is to NOT jump to
the first conclusion you come to; but, rather, to
tiptoe gingerly over the first few thousand or so
conclusions… that this exercise tires you out enough
to discouraging you from doing any jumping at all.
>Something thought this whole senario
> out before they hit the "GO" key!!!
>Spelling might not be the best, But,
>you get the idea, WE WERE DESIGNED!!!
Well, that might just explain our usual
dissatisfaction with everything off the rack!
S D Rodrian
web.sdrodrian.com
sdrodrian.com
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In article <93tvhe$6s…@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>,
"tinytess" <tinytess2…@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> It sounds like you’ve read The Selfish Gene
Nope.
> you also sound like what you’re saying is obvious,
That’s just because you agree with it.
Disagree with it, and it’s obviously NOT
(obvious).
> do you really believe
> that one day a tadpole decided to swim left,
> it’s sister swam right, then
> WOW,BANG,CRASH, one turns into a cockroach,
> the other blue whale.
etc.?… That’s not how evolution works:
There are a limited number of potential
directions in any species’ genetic pool
and ONLY that number (so insects will never
grow as big as whales, and elephants will
never fly like moths). Never is a long timem
though…
Every now and then, just as five of your kids
may be born with brown eyes and the fifth with
blue eyes… those potential directions can be
seen to occur. If, as in eye color, the direction
is neutral, nothing much changes. If the direction
proves an improvement, it’s usually adopted. And
if the direction is a hindrance to survival
it kills the creature that, unluckily, manifested it:
But this does not mean that if suddenly, one fine
day, the survival of elephants is threatened
because the fact that they’re too big and visible
makes them too obvious to their predators… that
suddenly ten-inch elephants will begin to be born
into the herds! Baby, those big elephants are doomed.
> Why than are we eating our brothers and
> sisters just becasue thay made a
> different decision from us, and
> we happened to come out on top?
You’re asking the wrong guy: I know why
but you may not understand my answer.
Visit the zoo instead and ask the lion:
He doesn’t know why, but you WILL
understand his answer.
S D Rodrian
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> S D Rodrian <SDRodr…@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <SHs86.2426$SJ2.1456…@feed.centurytel.net>,
> > "don" <herm…@centurytel.net> wrote:
> > >Just a question, If, any of you have looked a
> > >round, HOW Possibly could this
> > >many different trees, bugs , you name it,
> > >could they have possibly evolved ?
> > Easily/simply as water flowing downhill:
> > A mamma turtle lays 40 eggs at the beach
> > and, of those, 40 hatchlings 20 head for the
> > ocean and 20 head inland. Result: Only the
> > survivors of those who went to sea live to
> > lay the next batch of eggs; and whatever made
> > the next mamma turtle (survivor from that batch
> > of 20 survivors) head out for the open sea when
> > she was born is then inherited by HER hatchlings
> > —and so evolution can take place over billions
> > of years (worms/the jellyfish) as well as over just
> > a few short years. [e.g. In England there is a species
> > of moth which was light-colored and so was hard to
> > be seen by its bird predators when alighting upon
> > the bark of trees. In this species, now and again,
> > completely dark moths would be born, but they were
> > easily spotted by predators and so very seldom got
> > a chance to reproduce. Then came the industrial
> > revolution; and suddenly the habitat was completely
> > covered with soot, coal dust, and black smoke. And,
> > like clockwork... suddenly the black moths were the
> > ones who were hard to spot and the lighter-colored
> > moths were too easy for the predators to see; with the
> > result that within the amazingly short span of a couple
> > of years or so this particular species of moths went
> > from Swedes to Sudanese without also having to
> > suffer through the usual immigration upheavals we
> > poor humans have to go through when we turn our
> > isolated communities into more cosmopolitan ones.
> > Note that the above not only explains how sudden
> > spurts of evolution are possible, but also explains why
> > it is that dragonflies/cockroaches/crabs/et al... have
> > also remained pretty much the same over the millions
> > of years during which the world has seen countless
> > other species rise and fall into oblivion like sparks.]
> > >I don’t care HOW long , I understand perfectly
> > > evolution, and it is going on
> > >as I type, but some of the specialized
> > > relationship can only say : PLANNING
> > I will repeat: It’s all water running down a hill…
> > so if you suddenly notice that every time you find
> > water it’s at the bottom of a hill, you might just as
> > equally be driven to mistakenly conclude that there’s
> > no way such a thing could happen by coincidence or
> > chance–SOMEBODY HAD to have planned and
> > executed this universal "intention" to place water at
> > the bottom of hills. But…
> > My advice to you, therefore, is to NOT jump to
> > the first conclusion you come to; but, rather, to
> > tiptoe gingerly over the first few thousand or so
> > conclusions… that this exercise tires you out enough
> > to discouraging you from doing any jumping at all.
> > >Something thought this whole senario
> > > out before they hit the "GO" key!!!
> > >Spelling might not be the best, But,
> > >you get the idea, WE WERE DESIGNED!!!
> > Well, that might just explain our usual
> > dissatisfaction with everything off the rack!
> > S D Rodrian
> > web.sdrodrian.com
> > sdrodrian.com
> > wisdom.findhere.org
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